Who has the right to call someone 'White'?

Science cannot tell us


Keith S. Taber (him/his…and White?)


An opinion piece in Education in Chemistry by Kristy Turner recently highlighted the potential bias that may lead to scholars being more likely to access, read and cite research from some parts of the world than others. This was actually an issue I was very aware of when a journal editor, as an international journal should aim to reflect research globally, but needs to apply common quality criteria.

This means that those working in contexts where there are no traditions of educational research, and limited resources to develop capacity, are at a disadvantage. I could think of one country where the journal received regular contributions, but which were almost always rejected (perhaps, always rejected?), as they simply did not amount to substantive accounts of research. These included well-intentioned, if sometimes quite convoluted, suggestions for mnemonic schemes to teach abstract conceptual subject matter, which offered absolutely no evidence that the proposed approach had ever been evaluated (if, indeed, ever applied). I was aware that any simple calculation of success rates in the journal would show that submissions from this particular national context had no chance of publication, and that few indeed ever got as far as referees 1. This might look like prejudice, even if it reflected application of the same quality criteria to all submissions. 2

On the other hand, the situation is slowly shifting. An excellent example is Turkey, which transformed from being a virtual non-participant in science education research publication to one of the most productive national sources of research published in the top journals, in just a couple of decades. I am aware of several other countries that are, if more slowly, supporting similar development in science education. So, the situation is complex: but Turner is absolutely right that we need to also be aware of a possible mind-set that assumes useful, quality research in science education will only be going on in a limited number of national contexts.

Being classified by the colour of my skin

But what really made me reflect on the piece was was not this important point, but that I was name-checked at the start of the article, along with a number of other educational research scholars, before Turner asked:

"What do these names have in common?

To start with they are all men and all White. More significantly, they all worked in the West (although some had collaborations further afield). This means that much of the education research we consume is produced from a Western perspective."

Turner, 2023

I am not sure I have ever seen myself called out in this public way as being "White", and I was not sure I was comfortable with being labelled in this way. For me, this was a mild discomfort – the kind that usefully leads one to reflect. By contrast, many people in this world experience being referred to by colour labels every day of their lives.

I readily identify as English, British and European, as simply a matter of fact: so, I suppose, 'Western' – guilty as charged. I have no qualms about being publicly labelled as a man. (Though I had no problem with being called 'Miss' by new secondary school students just moving up from primary schools where their class teacher had been 'Miss'. The pupils tended to be more embarrassed than me on these occasions – as was the tutee who once inadvertently called me 'Dad'. Yes, Tamsin, I still remember that.)

When I went to school, the world (at least as it was usually talked about) seemed simple in that regard. Humans came in two types – males and females. In my class in school there were boys and girls, and there was absolutely no ambiguity about this, and the difference was clearly marked: the boys wore shorts, the girls skirts or dresses. When I got to secondary school I studied metalwork and woodwork and technical drawing, whilst the girls studied their own subjects such as cookery. (Yes, I am that old.) Science dichotomised people into these classes of males and females (this was strictly known to be a simplification, but I do not recall any mention of other possibilities when I was a child), and there was a widely assumed perfect correlation with gender.

Of course, we now know this is utterly simplistic, and if such a regimented approach is imposed on people it is a burden that does not reflect the range of ways that people themselves experience their lives. It is now very common for people to attach their preferred pronouns to their web-pages and emails footers, and we appreciate that people have a right to self-identify in gender terms, and should not be assigned such an identify from the outside.


Original image by Krzysztof Niewolny from Pixabay


Should what is good for the goose also be good for the gander?

So, if we respect people's right to claim their own gender identity, what gives us the right to assign them to 'colour' categories? These categories were historically linked to what many scientists considered distinct varieties of human being – the different 'races'. That is, just as scientists might have recognised different varieties of a species, say different breeds of sheep, so there was considered to be a substantive and biologically justifiable basis for classifying people as members of different 'races'.

Those classifications were also not just seen as categorical, but often as ordinal – there were not only considered to be different races, but some of them were widely thought of (*) as more advanced, more civilised, perhaps even more evolved, than others; and it sometimes followed to many people that members of some races were of more inherent worth than others. (* At least, this was a common stance among people who self-identified as White!)

As is well known, this attitude led to many terrible events, and such bizarre notions as long-inhabited lands being 'discovered' by newcomers who therefore felt entitled to take possession of them: perhaps because they did not consider the inhabitants worthy of land and resource ownership; or perhaps because often the indigenous population took an attitude to the land and biota that it was not open to their ownership, but rather was sacred and deserving of being seen as in a form of relationship, rather than just being a source for exploitation. (That is, in many senses, the supposed 'more primitive' people had a more sophisticated and ecologically viable Worldview than those making the comparisons and seeing themselves as 'more civilised'.) That was one historical form of the 'Western perspective' that Tuner rightly warns about. 3

Science progresses: but not everyone keeps up

Science has moved on. We now know that, from a scientific perspective, there is only one human race. We all descend from early human ancestors that lived in Africa – so, for example, all of us in Britain are, if not ourselves migrants, ultimately the descendants of African migrants.

There are no strong categorical differences that allow us to form clear-cut classes of people (such as we can nearly dichotomise sex, even if we now realise that does not correlate to gender in a simple, direct way). Certainly, there are differences in populations that have long lived in different parts of the world: some groups are more likely to be lactose intolerant; more likely to suffer from, or be resistant to, specific diseases, and so forth. But these are statistical differences, not absolute ones.


An analogy for categorising people into 'races' based on physical characteristics (original image by Mote Oo Education from Pixabay)


To divide people into racial groups on that kind of basis makes as much sense as dichotomising adult people into males and females purely on height (i.e., the tallest 50% are male, by definition) simply because there is a statistical correlation between biological sex and adult height. Throughout human history, there has been social and genetic interchange between populations, and that is now more so than ever. We all have a mix of genes from a diverse range of ancestors – indeed most of us have few percent of genes that are considered Neanderthal. 4 So being 'White' is not simply a matter of genetics: any notion of a pure European genome is simply fantasy, akin to the deluded Nazi fantasies of Aryan blood lines. 5

Race is not a biological classification. Race is a social system of categorising people, not a scientific system. There are different races in the world only in a similar sense to how there are different styles of art or architecture in the world, or different modes of fashion (or styles of music, or genres of literature): because people have constructed such a system and imbued certain perceived differences with significance. But, there are not races in the world 'naturally' in the sense that there are different elements or different minerals out there for scientists to find. 6

The idea of several distinct human races can be seen as a historical scientific concept that was once given serious credence (just like phlogiston, or the luminiferous æther), but today should be seen as an alternative conception – a bit of folk-science that is actually a misconception.

Read about historical scientific conceptions

So, if I am seen as White, this is because I have certain physical characteristics that others perceive as being 'White' (i.e., physiognomy). Presumably skin colour is a primary factor, although I certainly do not have white skin (I have never seen anyone who actually looks white or black, and suspect this choice of labels is in part a reflection of the historical associations of these colours 7). I am basically a pink colour, although at certain times of year I go somewhat orange. I am not being flippant here – I am obviously of pale skin tone as would be associated with someone of European descent. But, again, we know that skin tone does not simply divide into a few clear categories: there is a whole spectrum out there, and most of us do not have entirely even pigmentation over all parts of the body, and/or are subject to some variation depending on environmental factors (and in England the average potential exposure to the Sun's rays in June is VERY different to in December!)

Now, I am not suggesting there might not be times when pointing out the colour of someone's skin might be useful – it might be very relevant in giving a description of a missing child or a mugger. But, Turner was not calling me White to help you recognise me, but to label me as someone associated with a 'Western' perspective. This of course is not a perfect correlation either. (I suspect that Rishi Sunak and Barack Obama would be widely considered to have Western perspectives).

'I hate the White man'

The musician Roy Harper wrote a song called 'I hate the white man' which appeared on his 1970 album 'Flat Baroque and Berserk'. He sings it live with real venom. When I first heard this song, it seemed strange to me, as here was a white man [sic, my label] singing how he hated the White man. It was heartfelt, but it seemed ironic. It did not occur to me that I was just assuming Roy was White because he looked white to me. (He is 'obviously' white, just as I, apparently, obviously am – that is, his skin tone is pinkish.) I never entertained another possibility: the notion that he should have the right not to identify with the people who's crimes he was singing about; that is, not to identify as a White man.


Roy Harper. He hates the white man.

(Image from Wikipedia, license: CC BY-SA 3.0)


So, should I be able to opt out of being put in an unscientific, racial category? Can I decline being White, and simply be a global citizen, a member of the human race, and so deserving the same level of respect and the same human rights as any other?

A dilemma

Of course it is not that easy. It is all very well someone like me refusing to self-identify with a racial label: there is still much discrimination and even targeted violence in many part of the world against people on racial grounds, and that would not be stopped by any personal self-identification of the victims. It is the perceptions of the abusers that matter in such situations, not how those on the receiving end see themselves. The Nazi's decided for themselves who was Jewish and so who deserved to be, say, removed from academic posts, or even incarcerated and exterminated, without regard to, for example, the victim's professed religion or record of Christian Church attendance.

Moreover, even if there are no strong genetic grounds to classify humans into a small number of 'races', the science of epigenetics is starting to reveal the cross-generational effects of extreme life-experiences (Meloni, 2019) such as slavery. The descendants of oppressed and impoverished people will continue to suffer relative to others for several generations. There may be no moral basis for asking children to pay for the 'sins of the fathers', but children of heavily sinned-against parents will still be at a disadvantage in life. That is not all about 'race': it might be about class, or the effects of war, but often racial identity (something with real effects, even if no scientific justification) can certainly be a factor.

If we do not identify with ethnic groups, then this makes monitoring of bias and discrimination difficult. How does an organisation know it is being equitable in relation to ethnic diversity, if no one chooses to self-identify with the traditionally majority, and/or privileged, groupings?

I think there is a genuine conundrum here. I look forward to the day when no rational person would see physiognomy as a useful basis for unscientifically classifying human beings, and, even if I am unlikely to live that long, hope we continue to move in that direction. But I understand why minority and oppressed groups find solidarity in such identification, and I appreciate the need for monitoring progress towards a fairer and more equitable society. So, Kristy, I fully understand why you call me 'White', even if I feel a little uneasy being labelled in that way.


Work cited:
  • Meloni, M. (2019). Impressionable Biologies: From the archaeology of plasticity to the sociology of epigenetics. Routledge.
  • Szöllösi-Janze, M. (2001). National Socialism and the sciences: reflections, conclusions and historical perspectives. In M. Szöllösi-Janze (Ed.), Science in the Third Reich (pp. 1-34). Berg.
  • Turner, K. (2023). Taking a global view. Education in Chemistry, 60, p.40

Notes:

1 Submissions to a research journal normally undergo editorial screening, so that (unpaid, expert) referees are not asked to spend time evaluating material in peer review that is out of scope for the journal or clearly inadequate (e.g., an empirical study lacking a methodology section).

Read about submitting to a research journal


2 I did highlight this issue at the journals' editorial board. The journal itself could do little about solving the problem, but the wider community might find ways to support development of research capacity in contexts where science educators aspire to be publishing work in international research journals.


3 Without in any sense wishing to undermine the terrible consequences that followed from widely held perceptions of racial differences, this can be seen as part of the wider commonplace phenomenon of categorising humans into various groupings in ways that are then used to justify treating some people as less worthy of respect and rights as others – for example the torture and judicial murder of Catholics/Protestants by Protestants/Catholics in parts of Europe when, sometimes, different members of the same nuclear family were classified into different groups.


4 It is sometimes said that on average a person has about 2% of Neanderthal DNA. Given that all the biota on earth is considered to ultimately have a common descent it is of course not surprising that human beings share some genes with, say, chimpanzees, and for that matter, bananas. However, it is not considered humans have chimpanzee ancestors (or banana ancestors, of course) but rather the two species evolved from a common ancestor population.

The particular interest in Neanderthal genes (and genes from Denisovans) is that it is considered that extant human populations carry genes acquired from Neanderthals when the two different populations co-existed, not from some precursor species they both evolved from. Whilst this is still an area of active research, the findings are widely interpreted to suggests that humans sometimes interbred with Neanderthals.


5 The Nazis thought that the German Volk descended from a distinct, discrete race, the Aryans – and set up scientific research projects to explore and develop the idea. Some of the ideas involved seem incredible:

"…Himmler rejected the Darwinist theory of evolution for the Aryans, presenting instead phantasies, according to which their earthy existence was derived from living shoots conserved in the ice of outer space…"

Szöllösi-Janze, 2001


6 Failure to appreciate this leads to confused questions such as whether discrimination against Jews should be considered racism. From a scientific perspective there are no races, so ipso facto the Jews are not a race. However, this is besides the point: if Jewish people are discriminated against, abused, attacked etc., either because of their religion, or because they are perceived as being members of an identifiable social ('ethnic') group, then this is clearly wrong and to be condemned, regardless of the label used.

If a legal system puts a particular weight on criminal offences that are motivated by racism (so, for example, punishments for those convicted have a premium), then what counts as a race for those purposes needs to be defined within that (social, i.e., legal) system, as natural science can have no role in determining social groupings that have no scientific basis.


7 This was lampooned in 'Star Trek: Enterprise', where Andorian Thy'lek Shran adopts the nickname 'pink skin' for Enterprise's Captain Archer.

From the Paramount Network Television series Star Trek: Enterprise

Many generations later it's just naturally always having fur

Keith S. Taber

Image by MirelaSchenk from Pixabay 

Bert was a participant in the Understanding Science Project. In Y11 he reported that he had been studying about the environment in biology, and done some work on adaptation. he gave a number of examples of how animals were adapted to their environment. One of these examples was the polar bear.

our homework we did about adapting, like how polar bears adapt to their environments, and camels….

And so a polar bear has adapted to the environment?

Yeah.

So how has a polar bear adapted to the environment?

Erm, things like it has white fur for camouflage so the prey don't see it coming up. Large feet to spread out its weight when it's going over like ice. Yeah, thick fur to keep the body heat insulated.

Bert gave a number of other examples, including dogs that were bred with particular characteristics, although he explained this in terms of inheritance of acquired characteristics: suggesting that dogs that have been taught over and over to retrieve have puppies that automatically have already got that sense. Bert realised that his example was due to the work of human breeders, and took the polar bear as an example of a creature that had adapted to its environment.

Yeah, so how does adaption take place then? …

I don't know. It may have something to do with negative feedback.Like you have like, you always get like, you always get feedback, like in the body to release less insulin and stuff like that. So in time … organisms, learn to adapt to that. Because if it happens a lot that makes a feedback then it comes, yeah then they just learn to do that.

Okay. Give me an example of that. I'm trying to link it up in my head.

Okay, like the polar bear, like I don't know. It may have started off just like every other bear, but because it was put in that environment, like all the time the body was telling it to grow more fur and things like that, because it was so cold. So after a while it just adapted to, you know, always having fur instead of, you know, like dogs shed hair in the summer and stuff. But like if it was always then they'd just learn to keep shedding that hair.

So if it was an ordinary bear, not a polar bear, and you stuck it in the Arctic, it would get cold?

Yeah.

But you say the body tells it to grow more fur?

Erm, yeah.

How does that work?

I'm not sure, it just … I don't know. Like, erm, like the body senses that it's cold, it goes to the brain, and the brain thinks, well how is it going to go against that, you know, make the body warmer. And so it kind of, you know, it gives these things.

So Bert seemed to have notion of (it not the term) homoeostasis, that allowed control of such things as levels of insulin. He recognised thus was based on negative feedback – when some problematic condition was recognised (e.g. being too cold) this would trigger a response (e.g., more insulation) to bring about a countering change.

However, in Bert's model, the mechanism was not initially automatic. Bert thought that this process which initially was based on deliberation became automatic over many generations…

I see. So the bear has already got a mechanism which would enable it to have more fur, but it's turned on to some extent by being put into the cold?

Yeah.

And then over a period of time, what happens then?

Erm I guess it just it doesn't really need that impulse of being cold, it's just naturally there now, to tell it to do it more.

So how does that happen? Is this the same bear or is this many generations later?

I would probably think many generations later.

Right, so if it was just one particular bear, it wouldn't eventually just produce more hair automatically itself, but its offspring eventually might?

Yeah.

So how does that happen then?

I don't know. Probably from DNA or something. We haven't gone over that yet.

So for Bert, the individual bear could change its characteristics through activating a potential mechanism (in this case for keeping year-round thick fur) through a process of sensing and responding to environmental conditions. Over many generations this changed characteristic could become an automatic response by eventually being coded into the genetic material. As with his explanation of selective breeding, Bert invoked a model of evolution through the inheritance of acquired characteristics, rather than the operation of natural selection on the natural range of characteristics within a breeding population.

Like many students learning about evolution, Darwin's model of variation offering the basis for natural selection was not as intuitively appealing as a more Lamarckian idea that individuals managed to change their characteristics during their lives and pass on the changes to their offspring. This is an example of where student thinking reflects a historical scientific theory that has been discarded rather than the currently canonical scientific ideas taught in schools.

Magnets are not much to do with electricity

Keith S. Taber

Physicists see electromagnetism as one of the fundamental forces in the universe, and physics often includes a topic or module on 'electricity and magnetism'. Magnetism can be considered an electrodynamic effect (i.e., due to the movement of charges), but this will not be obvious to students.

Image by Hans Braxmeier from Pixabay

Sophia was a participant in the Understanding Science Project. I spoke to here in Y7 (of the English school system) when she told me about the things she had been learning in the topic of electricity. I asked her,

Anything else you've done on electricity?

The er, I don't know what, it's not that much to do with electricity but, yesterday or the day (before) we done magnets.

Oh right. So that's a new topic, is it, not to do with electricity, or?

Well, I think we're still doing electricity. I don't know if it was just something – so we know what might, er, so we know what, what electricity will flow through, and maybe it's something to do with – 'cause magnets like stick to other things, they might be – I'm not sure, I think we might just have had a break from it, I don't know, but.

So, Sophia came up with some suggestions for why magnets might be featured in the electricity topic, but she was not very convinced about this rationale, and considered it was quite possible that the teacher was just interspersing other material to give a 'break' from the main topic. So, instead, they "done magnets".

It is interesting that one of Sophia's suggestions was "what electricity will flow through". The constructivist theory of learning ( read about constructivism here) suggests that meaningful learning involves learners making sense of what they are taught by linking it to their existing ideas and wealth of past experiences. This is a creative process, and sometimes students make unhelpful associations, that can act as learning impediments. Although ceramic magnets are increasingly common, iron, a good conductor, and its alloys, are still used for bar and horseshoe magnets that children will often be familiar with – so this association has potential to be built on constructively.

Of course electricity and magnetism were at one time considered quite distinct phenomena by scientists – and James Clerk Maxwell is rightly remembered for his synthesising theoretical work showing that electricity, magnetism and light could all be understood as manifestations of a single underlying 'phenomenon' of electromagnetism. (Indeed it seems stretching then notion of phenomena to refer to electromagnetism as a single phenomenon, as no one would intuitively perceive its manifestations as being observations of the same phenomenon!) We can hardly expect students to appreciate why electricity and magnetism might be considered a unitary physics topic in school science.

To the science teacher, magnetism is an electrical effect, and electromagnetism is one of the fundamental forces in nature. The unification of electricity, magnetism, and electromagnetic radiation is seen as a major integrative step forwards in science–but our students are not going to see the connections without some help.

Taber, 2014, p.169

When I asked her to tell me what she learnt about magnets she told me that the north pole and the south poles go together because one of them is coming out and one is going in.

Light bounces off the eye so you can see

Light is actively bounced out of the eye towards objects, so we can see

Keith S. Taber

Sophia was a participant in the Understanding Science Project. Y8 pupil Sophia had been studying sound and light in her school science lessons. Her model of sight involved light entering the eye, but then reflecting out again.

Do you know how you hear and see?

Does the light come in your eye, and it reflects off so you can see. … Just reflects, does it, and bounces on.

So if I've got my eye, some light comes in, some light comes in, what does it do, it bounces where?

About.

Inside the eye?

No around … it bounces out.

And then what?

Then you can seeso you look where you want to see, so it bounces off like in that direction, …you've got to actually look over, …you've got to look that way

One long-established historical model of sight was based on rays coming from the eyes to detect objects in the outside world. Sophia's model appears to be a hybrid of this historical model, and modern understandings. For Sophia, light does not originate form the eye, but bounds out of it towards the object of sight. The idea that something must come out of the eye for us to see seems to be an intuitive assumption some people make – perhaps because we actually turn out heads and direct out eyes at what we want to focus on. This intuition has potential to act as a grounded learning impediment to learning the scientific model for vision.

If you take all of the electrons off an atom, then it would not be matter

Keith S. Taber

Mohammed was a participant in the Understanding Science Project. When Mohammed was near the end of his first term of upper secondary science (in Y10) he told me that in his chemistry lessons he had been studying atoms and ionic bonding. When I asked him what an atom was, he suggested that an atom is the smallest amount of matter you can get [*] as well as being "it's the building block of all matter".

The notion that atoms are the smallest components of matter has a strong historical pedigree – but the modern idea of the atom is unlike the solid and indivisible (= atomos: uncuttable) elementary particles imagined by some Greek philosophers. Modern atoms are considered complex structures, and may be dismantled.

It is not unusual for students to suggest that atom is the smallest thing that one can get, and then go on to describe atomic structure in terms of smaller components! The idea that the atom is the smallest thing possible (a kind of motto or slogan) is commonly adopted and then retained despite learning about subatomic particles.

Mohammed, however, justified his suggestion that an atom was "the smallest amount of matter you can get" by arguing that "matter is something that is built out of protons, neutrons and electrons". So Mohammed's notion of what counted as 'matter' (an ontological question) was at odds with the scientific account

Mohammed did not suggest that matter had to have overall neutrality, and his suggestion that matter is something that is built out of protons, neutrons and electrons had to be amended when he realised it would exclude hydrogen atoms as being matter:

So what if I had a balloon full of hydrogen gas, would that, would the hydrogen be matter?

Yeah.

So would that consist of protons, neutrons and electrons?

No it wouldn't. Sorry, can I take away the neutrons

Okay, so matter's what then? What's our new definition of matter?

Protons, electrons.

Mohammed presented his responses with confidence and without hesitation, which seemed to suggest he was offering well established ideas. However, he did not seem to have fully thought through these ideas, and perhaps was constructing a rationale in situ in the interview. The logical consequences of Mohammed's new definition was that atoms and ions would be considered matter but not nuclei or electrons.

What if I had sodium. Do you think that would be matter?… if I had a lump of sodium, would that be matter?

Yeah

And why is that matter?

Because it has, it has a full atom, it has protons, neutrons, electrons, even though you can have no neutrons.

Okay, but it has to have the protons and the electrons?

Yeah.

Now what if I just had one atom of sodium, would that still be matter?

Yeah.

…so let's say I've got my atom, with my eleven protons, and my probably twelve neutrons I think usually. And I've got eleven electrons round the outside. If I take take one of the electrons off this atom, it's not an atom any more is it?

It's an ion.

Now is it still matter?

Yeah.

Because I've still got protons and electrons. What if I took a second electron off, could I take a take second electron off?

Yeah.

What have I got then, then?

You've still got matter.

What if I took a third one off?

Well if you, if you just take all of them off, then you'd stop having matter.

So if I've got eleven electrons, can I take ten of them off?

Yeah.

And I'd still have matter?

Yeah.

The idea of what counts as matter here seems a rather idiosyncratic alternative conception (rather than being a common alternative conception that is widely shared). Science teachers would probably consider that all material (sic) particles are matter, and – perhaps – that this should be obvious to students. However, the submicroscopic realm is far from everyday experience so perhaps it is not surprising that students often form their own alternative conceptions.

Puppies that automatically retrieve your stick

Dogs that have been taught over and over to retrieve have puppies that automatically have already got that sense 

Keith S. Taber

Bert was a participant in the Understanding Science Project. In Y11 he reported that he had been studying about the environment in biology, and done some work on adaptation. he gave a number of examples of how animals were adapted to their environment. When asked to explain how this occurred he initially used an example of selective breeding in dogs.

our homework we did about adapting, like how polar bears adapt to their environments, and camels….

And so a polar bear has adapted to the environment?

Yeah.

So how has a polar bear adapted to the environment?

Erm things like it has white fur for camouflage so the prey don't see it coming up. Large feet to spread out its weight when it's going over like ice. Yeah, thick fur to keep the body heat insulated.

What about a camel then?

Well it has long eyelashes to keep the sand out of it. It has pretty much all its fat stored in its hump so that it can erm, so all the body, so that not much body heat is produced from everywhere else. It doesn't have hair on its belly to increase heat loss. And yeah, oh yeah, they're quite big so it has quite a lot of grip on the sand.

No, okay. So do you have any other examples of adaption?…

Oh well, well there's humans isn't there. Because like they started off like with an arched back and they went on all-fours and everything. And well their minds obviously have adapted and evolved, yeah. Erm (pause) and dogs, they have different … because people who are actually breeders, they, when they breed dogs they breed them to be like, like Retrievers. Because they've like been taught over and over to retrieve. And so when they have puppies then they automatically have already got that sense. That's not really adapting though is it?

So somebody has trained these dogs to go and, when they shoot birds or something, they're trained to go and get the birds they've shot and bring them back?

Yes.

Okay. And if you do that enough, baby puppies bred from those dogs will just know to do that?

Well they won't know to do that, but they'll already have that kind of sense. And like, well my dog that I have, it's a Chocolate Labrador, and I said look, she had webbed feet which is adapted for swimming, for retrieving, I don't know, retrieving birds from water or something.

Although Bert was aware of how traits could be passed on to offspring he was thinking in terms of the inheritance of acquired characteristics – a Lamarkian model of evolution – rather than the selection of qualities that vary across a population. For some pupils the notion of evolution makes sense, but in terms of changes that occur in an individual in response to environmental challenges being somehow passed on to their offspring. The inheritance of acquired characteristics is a scientific concept, that is a historical (scientific) concept, but not a canonical (current scientific) concept, so Bert's understanding of evolution would be considered an alternative conception.

(Bert then went on to consider an example of a naturally occurring adaptation, the polar bear's fur, however he again considered this in terms of an acquired characteristic being passed on to future generations.)