If you take all of the electrons off an atom, then it would not be matter

Keith S. Taber

Mohammed was a participant in the Understanding Science Project. When Mohammed was near the end of his first term of upper secondary science (in Y10) he told me that in his chemistry lessons he had been studying atoms and ionic bonding. When I asked him what an atom was, he suggested that an atom is the smallest amount of matter you can get [*] as well as being "it's the building block of all matter".

The notion that atoms are the smallest components of matter has a strong historical pedigree – but the modern idea of the atom is unlike the solid and indivisible (= atomos: uncuttable) elementary particles imagined by some Greek philosophers. Modern atoms are considered complex structures, and may be dismantled.

It is not unusual for students to suggest that atom is the smallest thing that one can get, and then go on to describe atomic structure in terms of smaller components! The idea that the atom is the smallest thing possible (a kind of motto or slogan) is commonly adopted and then retained despite learning about subatomic particles.

Mohammed, however, justified his suggestion that an atom was "the smallest amount of matter you can get" by arguing that "matter is something that is built out of protons, neutrons and electrons". So Mohammed's notion of what counted as 'matter' (an ontological question) was at odds with the scientific account

Mohammed did not suggest that matter had to have overall neutrality, and his suggestion that matter is something that is built out of protons, neutrons and electrons had to be amended when he realised it would exclude hydrogen atoms as being matter:

So what if I had a balloon full of hydrogen gas, would that, would the hydrogen be matter?

Yeah.

So would that consist of protons, neutrons and electrons?

No it wouldn't. Sorry, can I take away the neutrons

Okay, so matter's what then? What's our new definition of matter?

Protons, electrons.

Mohammed presented his responses with confidence and without hesitation, which seemed to suggest he was offering well established ideas. However, he did not seem to have fully thought through these ideas, and perhaps was constructing a rationale in situ in the interview. The logical consequences of Mohammed's new definition was that atoms and ions would be considered matter but not nuclei or electrons.

What if I had sodium. Do you think that would be matter?… if I had a lump of sodium, would that be matter?

Yeah

And why is that matter?

Because it has, it has a full atom, it has protons, neutrons, electrons, even though you can have no neutrons.

Okay, but it has to have the protons and the electrons?

Yeah.

Now what if I just had one atom of sodium, would that still be matter?

Yeah.

…so let's say I've got my atom, with my eleven protons, and my probably twelve neutrons I think usually. And I've got eleven electrons round the outside. If I take take one of the electrons off this atom, it's not an atom any more is it?

It's an ion.

Now is it still matter?

Yeah.

Because I've still got protons and electrons. What if I took a second electron off, could I take a take second electron off?

Yeah.

What have I got then, then?

You've still got matter.

What if I took a third one off?

Well if you, if you just take all of them off, then you'd stop having matter.

So if I've got eleven electrons, can I take ten of them off?

Yeah.

And I'd still have matter?

Yeah.

The idea of what counts as matter here seems a rather idiosyncratic alternative conception (rather than being a common alternative conception that is widely shared). Science teachers would probably consider that all material (sic) particles are matter, and – perhaps – that this should be obvious to students. However, the submicroscopic realm is far from everyday experience so perhaps it is not surprising that students often form their own alternative conceptions.

Author: Keith

Former school and college science teacher, teacher educator, research supervisor, and research methods lecturer. Emeritus Professor of Science Education at the University of Cambridge.

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